Comments for Christopher T. George http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge Reflections of a Ripperologist Thu, 17 May 2012 03:52:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 Comment on The Mysterious Life and Death of P.C. Richard Brown by tandblekninng med laser http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2011/09/22/the-mysterious-life-and-death-of-pc-richard-brown/#comment-1895 tandblekninng med laser Wed, 09 May 2012 15:38:02 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2011/09/22/the-mysterious-life-and-death-of-pc-richard-brown/#comment-1895 <strong>tandblekninng med laser...</strong> [...]j Superb blog! Do you have any tips for aspiring writers? I'm planning to sta df[...]... tandblekninng med laser…

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]]> Comment on The Mysterious Life and Death of P.C. Richard Brown by admin http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2011/09/22/the-mysterious-life-and-death-of-pc-richard-brown/#comment-1874 admin Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:01:00 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2011/09/22/the-mysterious-life-and-death-of-pc-richard-brown/#comment-1874 Hello Pete What you suggest sounds a little too convoluted to be true. I believe the body was originally identified as Torre's body because Brown had the man's card, and it was at first thought that he was Torre. What you are suggesting rather stretches belief that it could in fact have been Torre's body and that Brown used the incident to escape the country having done the Whitechapel murders. Not credible I think. Sorry. Hello Pete

What you suggest sounds a little too convoluted to be true. I believe the body was originally identified as Torre’s body because Brown had the man’s card, and it was at first thought that he was Torre. What you are suggesting rather stretches belief that it could in fact have been Torre’s body and that Brown used the incident to escape the country having done the Whitechapel murders. Not credible I think. Sorry.

]]> Comment on The Writing on the Wall by Semper_eadem http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1868 Semper_eadem Tue, 03 Apr 2012 03:00:04 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1868 Hi All, I also enjoyed this last Rippercast, I'm not really a researcher more of a gadfly,David Lindblad had a point as did Martin Fido that the graffiti might be just that graffiti, I have seen graffiti from Pompeii as I am sure some of you have. If JTR was the graffiti writing type i am sure we would of seen more of it, unless the police washed it away. I though Martin Fido's explanation of the graffiti just being an irate customer of the market being the most likely explanation. Just my 2 cents worth, Geo~ Hi All,

I also enjoyed this last Rippercast, I’m not really a researcher more of a gadfly,David Lindblad had a point as did Martin Fido that the graffiti might be just that graffiti, I have seen graffiti from Pompeii as I am sure some of you have.

If JTR was the graffiti writing type i am sure we would of seen more of it, unless the police washed it away.

I though Martin Fido’s explanation of the graffiti just being an irate customer of the market being the most likely explanation.

Just my 2 cents worth,
Geo~

]]> Comment on The Mysterious Life and Death of P.C. Richard Brown by Pete B http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2011/09/22/the-mysterious-life-and-death-of-pc-richard-brown/#comment-1865 Pete B Tue, 03 Apr 2012 00:02:56 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2011/09/22/the-mysterious-life-and-death-of-pc-richard-brown/#comment-1865 I've just come across your very interesting site. I think I've spotted something of interest, which I hope hasn't been discussed elsewhere. Further up this page there is a reference to "Louis Sidney Torre, of 3, Percy Square, King’s Cross" as identifying Brown's body. Elsewhere on the site I came across this: "Evening News London, U.K. 17 November 1888 SUICIDE IN HYDE PARK. A man, since recognised as Louis S. Tauer, of Percy-square, King's-cross-road, shot himself in the mouth with a revolver in Hyde Park, yesterday afternoon. He was taken to St. George's Hospital still living, but died soon after admission. IDENTIFICATION The man who committed suicide in Hyde Park yesterday by shooting himself in the mouth with a revolver has now been fully identified as Richard Brown, a constable of the E division, belonging to Hunter-street Police-station." Was the initial identification simply a reporter's error? Or how about this - Tauer (or Torre) seems to have known a lot about Brown for a 'second uncle' - like the exact amount of his savings. Could Brown have shot Tauer, then blown his police whistle and later posed as Tauer in order to identify the body as his own? He could then skip the country and escape justice for the Ripper murders. Just a thought! I’ve just come across your very interesting site. I think I’ve spotted something of interest, which I hope hasn’t been discussed elsewhere.

Further up this page there is a reference to “Louis Sidney Torre, of 3, Percy Square, King’s Cross” as identifying Brown’s body.

Elsewhere on the site I came across this:
“Evening News
London, U.K.
17 November 1888

SUICIDE IN HYDE PARK.

A man, since recognised as Louis S. Tauer, of Percy-square, King’s-cross-road, shot himself in the mouth with a revolver in Hyde Park, yesterday afternoon. He was taken to St. George’s Hospital still living, but died soon after admission.

IDENTIFICATION

The man who committed suicide in Hyde Park yesterday by shooting himself in the mouth with a revolver has now been fully identified as Richard Brown, a constable of the E division, belonging to Hunter-street Police-station.”

Was the initial identification simply a reporter’s error? Or how about this - Tauer (or Torre) seems to have known a lot about Brown for a ’second uncle’ - like the exact amount of his savings. Could Brown have shot Tauer, then blown his police whistle and later posed as Tauer in order to identify the body as his own? He could then skip the country and escape justice for the Ripper murders. Just a thought!

]]> Comment on The Writing on the Wall by Makayla http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1716 Makayla Thu, 15 Mar 2012 18:05:50 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1716 As far as the graffiti go, if it really was the Ripper, maybe the "Juwes" is not the central aspect that he wanted you to grasp. There is a possibility it is an underlying meaning. I've also thought that there is a possibility that the Ripper could, in fact, have been a police officer. Although my confidence in that isn't great, it is a slight possibility. I'm unsure of how often that happened back then, but as often as it occurs now, it may as well be considered. As far as the graffiti go, if it really was the Ripper, maybe the “Juwes” is not the central aspect that he wanted you to grasp. There is a possibility it is an underlying meaning. I’ve also thought that there is a possibility that the Ripper could, in fact, have been a police officer. Although my confidence in that isn’t great, it is a slight possibility. I’m unsure of how often that happened back then, but as often as it occurs now, it may as well be considered.

]]> Comment on The Writing on the Wall by Mike Ebertz http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1613 Mike Ebertz Sun, 04 Mar 2012 19:49:03 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1613 Hi Chris, As I've said before, I believe the apron and the GSG are not just a random coincidence. I also believe the killer didn't write the graffiti. I believe he knew of it and thought it a good message, however he may have interpreted it. This can mean he was pro-Jewish solidarity (or something like that) and agreed with what he read as that sort of message; that he was anti-Jew and agreed with how he interpreted the message; was pro-Jew and interpreted the message as Anti-jew and dropped the apron to confuse the police; or he was Anti-Jew and saw the message as Pro-Jewish and dropped the apron to blame the Jews, throwing officials off his track. No clarity here, I'm afraid. Mike Hi Chris,

As I’ve said before, I believe the apron and the GSG are not just a random coincidence. I also believe the killer didn’t write the graffiti. I believe he knew of it and thought it a good message, however he may have interpreted it. This can mean he was pro-Jewish solidarity (or something like that) and agreed with what he read as that sort of message; that he was anti-Jew and agreed with how he interpreted the message; was pro-Jew and interpreted the message as Anti-jew and dropped the apron to confuse the police; or he was Anti-Jew and saw the message as Pro-Jewish and dropped the apron to blame the Jews, throwing officials off his track. No clarity here, I’m afraid.

Mike

]]> Comment on The Writing on the Wall by admin http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1599 admin Sat, 03 Mar 2012 21:45:19 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1599 Thank you, Steve and Cogidubnus. I see we have two divergent opinions. I said during Rippercast that I was a traditionalist but I meant more about the canonical five than the graffito, which I agree could have been just some stray graffiti, albeit that the police seemed to take it seriously as they did also, initially, with "Dear Boss." But in either version of the wording, it doesn't make much sense: are the Jews being blamed or are they being exonerated? Your guess is as good as mine. You would think that if the murderer wrote it, he would have left a clearer statement. As also we stated during Rippercast, the Kelly killing in Miller's Court would seem to have offered a much better opportunity to leave a message if he had wanted to do so. And Cogidubnus, you are of course exactly correct that it would have been extraordinarily hard to write in readable letters in the dark, on brickwork, though it might be noted that the bricks were, I think, painted, so it could have been a smooth surface and not rough. Thank you, Steve and Cogidubnus. I see we have two divergent opinions. I said during Rippercast that I was a traditionalist but I meant more about the canonical five than the graffito, which I agree could have been just some stray graffiti, albeit that the police seemed to take it seriously as they did also, initially, with “Dear Boss.” But in either version of the wording, it doesn’t make much sense: are the Jews being blamed or are they being exonerated? Your guess is as good as mine.

You would think that if the murderer wrote it, he would have left a clearer statement. As also we stated during Rippercast, the Kelly killing in Miller’s Court would seem to have offered a much better opportunity to leave a message if he had wanted to do so. And Cogidubnus, you are of course exactly correct that it would have been extraordinarily hard to write in readable letters in the dark, on brickwork, though it might be noted that the bricks were, I think, painted, so it could have been a smooth surface and not rough.

]]> Comment on The Writing on the Wall by Cogidubnus http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1592 Cogidubnus Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:24:09 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1592 I'm afraid I think the GSG isn't directly related...someone local just trying to stir up a bit of trouble...have you ever tried writing readable characters in chalk just half an inch tall...on brickwork? Not a hasty piece of work undertaken after dark methinks! I’m afraid I think the GSG isn’t directly related…someone local just trying to stir up a bit of trouble…have you ever tried writing readable characters in chalk just half an inch tall…on brickwork? Not a hasty piece of work undertaken after dark methinks!

]]> Comment on The Writing on the Wall by steve stanley http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1591 steve stanley Fri, 02 Mar 2012 21:52:46 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/03/02/the-writing-on-the-wall/#comment-1591 I still have a sneaky feeling the GSG is kosher(!)......but I still believe in the C5 and Hutchinson just exaggerated a bit....... I still have a sneaky feeling the GSG is kosher(!)……but I still believe in the C5 and Hutchinson just exaggerated a bit…….

]]> Comment on The Ripper’s Knife by Steve Santini http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/02/07/the-rippers-knife/#comment-1462 Steve Santini Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:25:16 +0000 http://blog.casebook.org/chrisgeorge/2012/02/07/the-rippers-knife/#comment-1462 One other thing concerning the oral history of the knife... When Mr. Martin brought the knife home he apprantly, (so we are told), considered turning it into the Police. As the people who sold the knife to the author who eventually gave it to me said, Martin's wife talked him out of going to the Police with it lest he himself be considered a suspect. And so there it stayed to be used for years and years to cut bread, carve meat, and fullfill other duties one would expect a knife to be party to. In fact, there was a dark joke in the family that they used to actually call it "The Ripper's Knife" and would call out for it by that name when it was needed to be fetched from the kitchen drawer to cut or carve something up. Macabre yes,... but interesting all the same. Cheers, Steve One other thing concerning the oral history of the knife…

When Mr. Martin brought the knife home he apprantly, (so we are told), considered turning it into the Police. As the people who sold the knife to the author who eventually gave it to me said, Martin’s wife talked him out of going to the Police with it lest he himself be considered a suspect.

And so there it stayed to be used for years and years to cut bread, carve meat, and fullfill other duties one would expect a knife to be party to. In fact, there was a dark joke in the family that they used to actually call it “The Ripper’s Knife” and would call out for it by that name when it was needed to be fetched from the kitchen drawer to cut or carve something up.

Macabre yes,… but interesting all the same.

Cheers, Steve

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